Episode 16 - Dr. Karin Luise on Dating, Relationships, Love & Singleness

[00:00:01] Speaker A: Welcome to the Dr. Random podcast. I'm Dr. Sarah, and here's the deal. We don't do boxes here. Every episode is different. Every conversation has its own flavor, and no topic is off limits. If you're looking for predictable, this isn't it. But if you want real conversations, honest takes, and a touch of intellect in the best way, you're in the right place. This is Dr. Random Podcast. Hello, and welcome to the Dr. Random Podcast. I'm Dr. Sarah, and today I am so excited because I have Dr. Karin Luise on the Dr. Random podcast for a second time. And we're talking about something that, I don't know. We're talking love, we're talking dating, relationships. You know, just kind of. We're gonna just have a natural conversation here and deep dive into it and kind of probably throw in both of our personal experiences and also throw in the science and the psychology behind singleness, dating, love, all of that. And Dr. Karan, thank you so much. Do you kind of want to do a little brief introduction of yourself again, just in case maybe somebody didn't listen to the first podcast? [00:01:19] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm excited to be back on and see what unfolds here. Yeah. I'm Dr. Karen Louise. I live in Atlanta, and my background is I was a PhD trained. I am a PhD trained therapist, and I used to do inpatient and all kinds of. I had a private practice, and then I had a spiritual awakening, and I started leaning more towards looking at energetics and spirituality. And Sarah and I found each other through my book, the Fatherless Daughter Project. I have another one called Sacred Shift. And I now really love helping people that are really high capacity that want more for their lives. I help people to shift and reinvent because I've done it so many times. I just. I'm kind of the expert on it. And being of a certain age, I just have really. I've realized that most clients that come to me are either coming to me because of divorce or relationship issues, or they're just having a major reinvention because something in their life has shifted. And it can be that your spirituality is changing or your career no longer fits. So many people are going through big pivots right now. So that's become my Jimmy jam. That's what I do right now. And so, you know, I teach trainings, and I have live events. I also have the live collective here in Atlanta. Sarah's come to one of the events, and that's a new thing. So I've just, you know, check me out later online And I've got a lot of stuff going on, but I love this topic because there are so many variables. Everybody can relate to it. There's going to be something that I think everyone's gonna be like, oh, my God, that happened to me, or that's where I'm stuck. And I think it's really important to explore. Like we were talking about before we came on, like, gender issues, differences between male and female, masculine, feminine expectations in relationships and being single or being married. Everyone has something to say. You had kids, have you not? How many? When are you having them? What. What's happening? Why aren't you married? Have you ever been married? How many times have you married? How many times have you been divorced? So there's judgment from everybody that hasn't been in your situation? Pretty much, yes. [00:03:08] Speaker A: Yes. Yeah. So I guess we could start off by, I think just to get Ron real, maybe we could each talk about where we are right now in that arena. If you're okay with that. [00:03:22] Speaker B: Sure. Give some tea. Yeah. Where we are, personally, outside of all the fancy degrees and the Doctors and the PhDs. Go ahead. [00:03:31] Speaker A: Yeah. So I'm single. I have no children. I am not opposed to having children. Some people might judge me for that. They might think, oh, aren't you too [00:03:44] Speaker B: old or a little old to have children? [00:03:45] Speaker A: But I don't think so. [00:03:46] Speaker B: I actually. [00:03:48] Speaker A: I did blood work. This is gonna sound funny. I did blood test, blood work, and I was told that I could still have a baby if I wanted to. I don't know if I want to do that. There's always the possibility, I joke, of, you know, a surrogate with his sperm, my egg, but. Or adoption. You know, there's a lot of different options with that. But, you know, I want love. I crave love. I want that male companionship in my life. And I've just been so busy since I kind of went from getting. Getting finished with my master's in 2019 to Covid. And when I explained this to people, I think they understand more why I'm single. And I don't know if I'm a rare bird in this way. And I'm not saying this. It's no judgment on those who do. I'm not trying to sound like, above, but, like, I really. Actually, I don't sleep around. So I. It's hard, though, because I will say, you know, it's not that I don't crave that, and I don't want that. It's just that I just haven't been in opportunities Where I met people and, you know, I finished my master's in 2019, then Covid hit and that was like non existent. And then I started on, you know, my journey with my doctorate, which started in 2021, and I just finished in mid-2025. And that was like taking up a lot of my time. And so that's kind of like why I think where I am now when I experience explain that. And I'm not on any dating apps. I know you guys are like, well, no wonder. But I just. I'm more of an authentic person. You know, it's. I have had dates here and there and I would say, you know, but I'm kind of a romantic too. And it's not like I've been celibate the whole time. I'll be honest on that. But not as much as I want to be, I'll tell you that. So just kind of going into that, you know, talking about love and relationships, I just find it so important and so key. And I'm all about love. I talk about love a lot. And I Even leading up to our. I know we're thinking Valentine's Day, but we didn't do it. I was doing these. Some people might think I'm corny or. But like, they're called conversation starters. So I was. For couples. I was posting these on my social media kind of leading up to Valentine's Day. Just kind of fun conversation starters. Because I think that getting to know your partner in ways by asking questions like this is interesting and it brings up things maybe from their childhood or could talk about different topics that you're just getting more intimate with each other. And yeah, in a book I always rave about. I'll just share it real quick too. Is things I wish I'd Known before we got married. I just think this book is awesome. I'm just gonna share that again, but. And of course, I know you have some great resources too, so I'll let you take the floor now. [00:06:50] Speaker B: Well, yeah, so I have been married twice and I got married right out of college to a professional athlete. Well, he later became a professional athlete. So I had a really public marriage my first go round most of my 20s and then a very public divorce. He was very unfaithful and hit rock bottom after that. That was bad. And we had tried to have kids and I went through a lot of infertility. And meanwhile, he actually had a few kids with other women while we were married. And Rock bottom Of Rock Bottoms. Of Rock Bottoms really devastated me. And I came out of that just kind of just decompartmentalized in every way. And then into my 30s, I wanted to understand more about why people do what they do because my dad had actually done something really similar to my mom and they had gotten divorced. My mom married three times and for good reason. And so I wasn't unfamiliar to it, although nobody gets married to get divorced. And it's, it is, it's a life shattering experience. And I went from having this identity of I was a baseball wife, I was here in Atlanta and I also was doing other things, but all of a sudden, like I had. Didn't have an identity. And that's the other thing. Like you've been through marriage and divorce, like you have to start over. So I'm back to school and I wanted to understand like what, what makes people do what they do. Really, that was the reason. And I got a master's and then I ended up loving it and, and I continued on like Sarah and got my PhD. In the meantime, I ended up meeting my second husband and six years later we got married. And I really pushed getting married. We were together to have kids, but we ended up not being a really good match. And I kind of gave him an ultimatum and you know, it. The good news is we did have three. But I went through infertility. It was very, very, very excruciating. It was horrible. I felt like God had forgotten about me. Like, I mean that's, this discussion is where everyone's been through some layer of this, whether they have kids now or it, it brings up all your stuff. And I really had just thought, why do I have this desire for having kids? And I was getting close to 40 and I was like, how do I not Like, I love kids more than anybody. I was an elementary school teacher. I was like, God, where are you? Like, where are you in this? So using fertility, we used iui. I got pregnant with twins after having a miscarriage at three months, which was also devastating. Anyway, I got boy, girl, twins out of the gate and my life again flipped upside down because then I had two babies. And all of a sudden, like, you don't know what you're doing and it's like, what is. Oh my God. And then miraculously, like I got pregnant naturally after literally. Anyway, I won't get into the details, but shockingly, a year later I found out I was pregnant. And I was like. Because I didn't know if I could do that naturally, but I got jump started, I guess. And so I had another one within two years. And he was really medically fragile. And that was another life shatter because then there I was like dealing with a near death experience all the time. He actually died once for five minutes and came back. That's another podcast. But. And in all that that I ended up having a spiritual awakening. And the spiritual awakening of the events surrounding that really catalyzed us separating and getting divorced because we just went in totally different direction. There was already so much fracturing there. And when I decided I was gonna really launch kind of another new identity for myself, he really dug his feet in and we just, we were like oil and water. So didn't want to get divorced. But then I had three kids and so, I mean they were like four, six and six, I think something like that. When that happened, that was 2014. And then there I was like mid-40s getting divorced. Well, early-40s getting divorced again. And it was, it was a total reconstruction. That's why I love helping people with reinvention now. But you know, the reason this topic and love come up so much and why you're so drawn to it, first of all, everyone wants to be loved. But second of all, any of your issues are going to be experience and triggered through relationships. Like they say, if you want to know about yourself, you want to know your triggers, get into a relationship, you know, so it's always going to be pushing against the unhealed childhood stuff, the desire for longing, worthiness, value. And you know, we're also not going to say that, you know, since I've been in two marriages and you know, it doesn't mean that all your problems are gone. It doesn't mean that. I mean, literally, I counsel people all the time that are in not a good situation, they're not in alignment. And it is not fair to ever think that just because somebody's married, like all of a sudden they feel worthy and loved. And it's perfect because very often it is not. So there is a challenge on each side of it, but I can speak to a lot of it. And now I've been single. We got separated 12 years ago. So I'm like, I've been very. So it's like I have a whole new, whole different life. And now I'm very. I've had a few relationships in there, some crash and burns. I had like a false twin flame that again almost like destroyed me from the inside out, but that's it. He was 20 years younger than me, so I had one of those. And then I've had just a couple other along the way. But now I have not dated anyone in over three years. I'm like, I see a couple of guys right now, like, maybe once a month. But I mean, with. I have three teenagers now. They're 16, 17. 17 and 15. And it's kind of my. My work's my world, but I'm like, you. Like, I want to be loved again. I mean, who doesn't want to fall in love again? The cool thing is we still get to have that. Like, our person's still waiting, and so we still get to go through, like, that beautiful experience, which I'm looking forward to as well. So, yeah, there you go. It's so funny when you go through decades and decades, and then you can just describe it in, like, a sentence, five minutes, and you're like, yeah, that was 30 years of my life. [00:12:23] Speaker A: Like, yeah, wow. Yeah. [00:12:26] Speaker B: And I actually, [00:12:29] Speaker A: I. I was, you know, I was married, too, before I, like, married my first boyfriend. And we were very young and cop it off the top, but I was a long, long time ago. And, yeah, that happened to so many people. [00:12:44] Speaker B: Someone yesterday said that to me, too, and it's funny, they didn't mention it. And then under their breath, they're like, oh, actually, I was married at 19, and I was divorced by, whatever, 21. And I kind of just don't count it. Like, Yep. It's like the rest of the world just had boyfriends and moved in and then moved out. You know, those of us married had to go through our first divorce anyway. Your last one, too. [00:13:03] Speaker A: And, yeah, like, I am kind of, you know, I'm kind of a romantic, whatever. But, like, I feel like sometimes if. I don't know, I think about, like, men. How. What if they, you know, you think you have a connection with somebody. Okay. And, you know, they always say, like, oh, if you're feeling it, they're feeling it. But I know that's not always the case. Unrequited love. But I would say just the psychology of why. It seems like right now, it seems like I've just kind of been watching the vibe. I'm like Instagram, social media, what people are saying about relationships. And it seems like men seem to be. And I'm not. This is not men bashing at all. This is because I love for men. I actually love men. And this is another point I wanted to bring up real quick, that I always believe in. I think a woman either really just loves a man, loves everything about a man, and same with men. They just love a woman. They love everything about a woman. And I mean, like, they're scent, their smell, like, everything about them. You just want to put your nose in their hair. And, you know, it's just I. I love men. I always have. And I just, you know, think that they're great. And so I think that now I lost my train of thought where I was going. [00:14:31] Speaker B: We were talking about probably the masculine and feminine men. [00:14:34] Speaker A: Yes. Taking the lead. So, like, I feel like, what's missing [00:14:37] Speaker B: all over the algorithm right now. Yeah. [00:14:40] Speaker A: And it's like, man, come on. Like, the thing is, is when they take the lead, it creates a sense of confidence in the woman, and we're not questioning if they're actually into us or not. It like. And then when they go, I feel like. And take the lead and take that masculine jump to us, then we're like, okay, you know, and it creates, I feel like, a good balance where, you know, the woman chasing is not good. And then I've heard something I heard at some point, and we can address this later, was something about the guy felt good because the girl could fly on a private jet and have all this money. And I'm like, that's weird. Pressure. So I'm like, are there hidden pressures going on with men and women? Like, we're supposed to be rich. We're supposed to be making all this money. It's like, no. Like, you know, if you really love somebody, I feel like you could be in a shack with them on the beach and you'd be happy. It doesn't. Money doesn't matter. You know? It doesn't. Because, like, so anyways, I'll let you kind of see. I don't know what you're thinking about, why that's lacking right now. Why aren't men taking the lead? Why aren't they asking women out? Why aren't they taking the move? What are they scared of or what? I don't even know if scared is the right word. [00:15:52] Speaker B: I think confused is the right word. Well, and I will say, too, money doesn't matter unless you think it does. And if you think it does, then you're gonna probably attract somebody that also thinks it does. But then what you end up learning, it's not about the money. There's a certain energy to it, but, you know, it's a false chase for happiness. But I think what's happening is I think men are actually really confused, because I think that this generation was raised with women really coming into their power in a way that it's like the pendulum shifted. It's like, you know, like my mom didn't work, she stayed home until she did. She became a pastor later, but she raised us, she stayed home. And you know, there was kind of a typical family family, you know, when it's coming out of the 60s, 70s and into the 80s. And in the 80s we had this boom of women working and women, you know, coming into their power, which, which was necessary. And then I think what happened is as time has gone on, men have been raised in this environment where women, you know, queen, energy, boss, babe, like that's been really trending. And I think I have a lot of sympathy for men. I'm like you, I, I love men. I love masculine men. I don't want a controlling man. Also have all the narcissist experience. I've put through three of them, including my dad, which is four. Four. But so you've got that on one end of the pendulum. But then the ones that really are our, our guys, I think they're really confused because they've been imprinted that women can do on their own. And a lot of women have, and probably me included, like, have really led with that. Like, like now that I've lived alone for 12 years, well, I have three kids. But like, I don't, I mean, I've got to learn how to do everything or outsource it. And it makes you fiercely independent. And I think that, I do think it's really int for a guy because anthropologically, women want to be cherished and men want to be needed. So when a woman is doing everything for herself, there's no place for a man to be needed. And so we do. Like I know because I've done it, I'm like, I, I've got it. No, I know I can do it. I can do it. Because also I think for women, a lot of us have daddy wounds. And I mean the book that I wrote because of wounding as children or wanting to what we do is we self protect. We found, I found that in the research when I wrote that book. When we haven't figured out how to have a safe relationship, often women will self protect by doing it all themselves. And so you've got this, I can do it on my own. And so what it does is it kind of subconsciously puts a wall up and then men don't have a place, right? So then men start getting used to that and then they think that I think collectively they're confused because they want to be needed really badly. But then almost if they want to be needed and talk about it, it might sound whiny or. I mean, they don't. I don't think that when men, of course, aren't raised typically having as much communication with people as women are, women sit and talk about things. We sit with our mom. We talk ad nauseam with our friends. Guys don't do that. Like, something happens with guys. They go golfing. You know, someone's dad had just died. This happened so many times with my guy friends. They come back and I'm like, well, how. How is he doing? And the guy's like, I don't know. We didn't talk about it. They don't. Meanwhile, we've unpacked everything and told every detail. But I think that that has been a big shift and it's brought me to having a lot of compassion for men because I don't think they know where to be. So I think often they think that if they. They don't understand this as much, I think as. As we do, because we're talking about it, There's a divine feminine and divine masculine. I think right now, collectively, we're. This is what we're healing. Because the pendulum has swung. I mean, swung so much. I mean, way back, thousands of years ago, women actually were the ones that were actually empowered, like pre Jesus. I mean, there were priestesses. I mean, that. That is a fact, a historical fact. And then patriarchy came in and we swing way over here. Yeah. And now we're. And I won't get too much into this, but there is an energetic shift back to now healing that. So what happens then is there's a lot of wobble as we try to find our way back to the middle. And so what I think is happening now just from a woo woo perspective, is divine feminine is. Is healing. And in that is us also being willing, which is a lot of. Look at your sweet little dog back there. Mine was just right here. A lot of it is try going out of our comfort zone. Like, for me, a lot of it. And I would imagine for most women, because I. We. This comes up at almost every. [00:20:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:20:01] Speaker B: Event that I have in person. This topic always comes up, leaning back into receiving. They say the man leads in the 5D. Excuse me. The woman leads in the 5D, and the man leads in the 3D. So we are the intuitive leaders. We're basically the priestess in our home. We're the ones that intuit that emote that lead from, you know, the men. Powerful men usually are. Not that women can't be powerful, of course, because we both know they can. But Very often the man will consult with the woman and she leads in that. Here's what I feel like you should be doing, you know. And then they say the man's role. I'm getting chill bumps while I'm saying this. Typically, really, anthropologically, the way his DNA is wired is to take care of things and be needed and be the security. Right? Like be the fortress of the house. And the woman is there to lead in the spiritual side. I don't mean that men can't live with faith or lead with faith. I don't mean that because a lot [00:20:53] Speaker A: of people would argue that. [00:20:55] Speaker B: Yeah, but I think we're healing that. But what it means then is for women to lean back. Because I think a lot of what's happening, because that's all over my feed as well. Like Taylor Love does a lot of talking about this is that we're barking about it a lot. And I think that it's, it's got men back on their heels a little bit because I know, because like the last relationship I had, I thought he was really masculine. I really wanted to call that in. But what happened was he ended up going way into his feminine in the relationship. And it really refined for me when we broke up, because at the end I was like, I literally am making all the plans. Like there were a million different things. I'm like, you just like, have disappeared. Like, what would. And. And I think it's because he's just done. Anyway, a lot of the men get into that pattern in relationships and then the dynamic can get really skewed because then what happens is the woman is getting angry and we're saying, why don't you want. And then we. They end up hearing their mom, you're not good enough. You're not good enough. Because a lot of men have mother wounds where they were never good enough. And, or if maybe it's their dad wound and then they retreat. So we've also got attachment style in here, and women tend to be more, you know, anxious attachment. Men tend, just typically speaking, tend to be more avoided. And that's the reason. And so we've got all of those dynamics, but I do think we're healing it. But I think when we find our person, like those of us that are really being conscious and intentional about this, there will be a, A, A collaborate, collaborative co creation of something new where these issues are being discussed. And kind of like you would do things like, okay, I really need you to plan the date, pick the restaurant, and then what I'm going to do is I'm going to lean back and receive, meaning foot rub, whatever it is it. You know, gifts, whatever. And. And I don't mean you have to get gifts, but y' all know what I'm saying? Be able to receive instead of always doing everything yourself and making light of it and say, okay, now why don't you do it? Even though it may not be the way that I want, but let the man be needed so he has a place. So I know I just talked a lot, but that's what comes off the top of my head, because I think there's issues everyone can relate to, because a lot of women are saying right now that their husbands, their relationship, their guy is in the feminine, and he. And it's very, very frustrating because now, even though they've been in their mat. So that's the thing, and I'm going to end with this. We have been in our masculine for decades, and it has really skewed things and has not done this as service. So we have a role here as well. But the men have gotten very used to it, so it's like they don't know what to do. So there's kind of got to be a retraining. I'll lean back and go ahead and let you. Because I said a lot. [00:23:28] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. No, yeah. It's hard because it's like, you know, I think about. I almost feel like women put on their armor a lot, you know, especially when we're doing everything on our own without a partner. And the thing is, is we don't want to do that all the time. Like, you know, I. You know, it's almost like a. I wouldn't say a defense mechanism, but it's like we have to go through life sometimes with. With that, and we. When we meet somebody, I feel like it's gonna be easy. It'll be natural. It's like we're gonna flow, you know, and it won't. You won't have to, like, you know, But I feel like at the same time, it's like, I don't want to plan everything. I don't want to always feel like I'm, you know, the. The one in charge here, whatever, you know, it's like you. Like you said, like, the woman wants to go into her feminine. She wants the man to, you know. And, of course, I know once reality sets in with life, you have to figure out things like, okay, bills, groceries, you know, car stuff. All that, you know, that's real life. And I think I read somewhere that it's like the butterflies in the tummy, the love feelings. Like, you know, the. Is about two years, and then after that, you go through a stage of, like, still, like, adoring them and everything. But, like, you know, the more reality sets in where you have to, like, think, who is this person? Get to know each other. Like, how are you raised on this issue? How you think? You know, Like, I read something where it was like, with forgiveness and apologizing in relationships, which I think kind of, in a way could be detrimental if you're not smart about it or aware. But it's like, well, how are you raised with apologizing? Oh, we just say I'm sorry, and we're good. Well, not in my family. I was raised where you have to explain why you're sorry, and I want to know you're not going to do that again in more detail. And so that could be a big disconnect. So it's like things like that where, you know, it sounds annoying and you think, wow, like, that's a lot. But if you dive into that, you're gonna avoid problems later. It's like, you know, So I think [00:25:42] Speaker B: that [00:25:45] Speaker A: just communicating is huge. I think that maybe sometimes even having same hobbies, different hobbies. I don't know what you think on that. Like, I think it can work whether you do have the same or different things going on. At least a few the same, but I don't know. And it's like, with the dating sites and stuff, I've just completely gone off of them because it was a waste of time to me. I was just like, it was going nowhere. It was nothing. I wasn't going on any dates with it. There was no heartfelt conversations. My. My filter radar, like, looking at profiles is so, like, I would see one thing and I'm like, no. You know, I was like, that's a. You know, and it's just. [00:26:29] Speaker B: I don't know. [00:26:30] Speaker A: I just think that I also, as, you know, from the past, I like having my faith. I believe that sometimes. I don't know. I believe that you can find. I feel like sometimes you meet people, there's a reason. There's a divine reason sometimes why people are in your life. And I think that, you know, sometimes you have to listen to that sometimes. I think it's scary. I think it scares people. I think there probably have been situations where people have been thrown into a situation where they're like, whoa, what am I feeling? Feeling like this is crazy. And it almost scares them, so they run away from it. It's like, well, don't do that. It's like, don't. You know, I think there's like two extremes with certain situations. I don't know if you have any thoughts on that, but. [00:27:14] Speaker B: Yeah, well, you're going to keep attracting. If there's a lesson that you're meant to learn, you're going to keep attracting it in different people. It's just going to take a different form because you have an energy, you have an energetic magnetism about you based on your beliefs and what you. What you're here to learn in this life. And you will keep attracting the same relationship pattern until you do the work on it. And. But yeah, you were talking about communication and specifically the way that we apologize or the way that you fight. Like, it's, it's. There's, there's a, you know, we're looking now at nervous system regulation and dysregulation. And, and because based on the trauma that you had in the home, how much fighting was there? What was considered. Like, I realized. I realized, like, I was raised in a really chaotic. I mean, I know I was raised in a really chaotic home, but I'm really comfortable with fighting. Like, it's, it was just. Everyone fought all that. There was a lot of yelling. And then, like, it's exactly what you just said. Where, like, then when we would be done specific to my mom, like, we would be. We would be like, totally normal. Like the next. Like, we're fine, we're good. We would just kind of duke it out a little bit. And then, you know, I, I realized my tendency in relationships was to want to kind of duke it out. And I would get kind of. I'm also a Leo, so I would get very. You know, we've all got feisty at our core, or some of us more than others, but I've got a lot of it. I got a lot of fire. And I did realize in my last relationship, like, it would disregulate. Not that I would go screaming, but I would. I just wanted to get in there. And he was really avoidant. So there was. He would back up and then he needed, like, literally, like three days. Like, he couldn't if there was any conflict. But my point is that's a really good example. And I learned that where I was like, I cannot be with someone. Like, like, to your point, it would be smart to talk about this early on, let people know because, like, a certain sentence from somebody or behavior means something to them and the other person that can be, you know, trigger childhood Wounding. And you don't realize that, but so, like, for me, like, raising my voice or me wanting to, like, really get in there, he would get all triggered about his childhood and dysregulate, and he would just need to go in the basement for three days. And so my point is, I can't be with someone like that. But I think for everyone, it's that you. And that's the good thing about going through relationships. Those of us that aren't with the same person is you keep refining, like, what. What you want and what you don't want. And so, you know, you get closer and closer to that person as time goes on. And a hundred percent talking about it and having a partner that's willing to. Because no one's going to be just like you. You don't want to marry anyone just like you. That would be boring. You're going to trigger each other. Very often, opposites attract. The thing that you. That made you love them, whether they're introverted or extroverted or whatever it is, is also the thing that's probably going to drive you crazy later because you're like, why can't you be more here? It's. That is just normal human relationship psychology. And having those conversations where there is, especially around conflict, where there is, we both understand what the other one needs. You know, you drop the love languages in there. Some people really need words. Some people. Words don't matter. Some people need gifts. Some people need, you know, affection. All that. And so that. That book, it was. Was really groundbreaking. It's really, really important. I've, like, the four agreements, for me, has stood out so much. I'm always repeating in my head two of those agreements, which is don't make assumptions and don't take things personally. And, you know, I am like, constantly, if I'm in relationship, even with women, I'll say to myself, don't make assumptions. Like it. Don't assume that this was about you, Corin. And don't take things personally. Like, let it go. Let it go. And because, you know, we tend to take things personally, we think it's about us. Okay, so then you talked about dating apps. I go on and off of them. You know, I think it is what you, whatever you're feeling when you're in there is the experience you're gonna have if they start frustrating you and whatever. Like, then don't stay on them. Like, if they're gonna confirm to you that your person's not out there and everybody sucks. And then don't be on them. But if you can be in there and this isn't not neither is better or worse, good or bad. But if I'm in a space where I'm like, I just see it as an open window, I'm like, I'm just gonna open the window. It's definitely a needle in a haystack, depending on which one you're on. But I'm like, I'm an Elena haystack. Haystack. I've met, like, over the years, I'll go on and off. I mean, each time I go back on, I usually will meet, like, at least a friend. Like, obviously, I'm not married, so I haven't met my person, but I've met a few. But it is. That's like one in the 5,000. [00:31:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:31:32] Speaker B: You, like, look at so and then. But once when I start getting frustrated, I jump off because I'm like, this is not doing me any good. You know, look, everybody wants to meet their person. Person organically. Nobody wants the story. We met on Bumble. I mean, but look it. I have a lot of friends that I've met. Their guys on social media, but again, are on apps again. It's. Whatever the feeling it brings up in you, go with. If it expands you, fine. No judgment. If it makes you feel angry, it's not gonna be a positive experience. [00:32:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:32:05] Speaker B: So, yeah, that's. It's interesting. [00:32:10] Speaker A: I also think, like, key things that I feel like I would bring into a relationship is like, I'm not gonna punish you for what past people have done to me, and you're not gonna punish me for what past people have done to you. You know, we're two new people in a new relationship. And I think that I always feel like instead of focusing on problems or issues from the past, like, have a great view going forward. Like, this is going to be beautiful. This is going to be lovely, and it's going to be amazing. And focus on, like, the togetherness of you together and like, what's just so awesome, like, you know, and. And try not to look to the past a lot, you know, but just promise each other. I'm not going to make you pay for that. What that person did to me, I'm not gonna make you pay. You know, that's so true. [00:33:00] Speaker B: And that. That time alone is. It is so important. It's. I know I. I started repeating to myself, don't bring the past relationship into this future situation. Don't. Yeah. Bring his sins onto this person. And you can tell, you know, it when you're first out of a relationship, there's usually bitterness because, you know, people feel hurt. And I will say when I'm on the dating apps, if I ever, if a guy ever says in his profile, like, don't be this way. You can't be this way. I'm like, anytime there's negative, like disclaimers on there, I'm like, oh, God, you're so not healed from whoever you just dated because you're still leading with negative. And so, yeah, you're out. You're out. And it also speaks to what you're saying, which, you know, lead with the positive and you know that it's a new person. But that takes, I mean, Sarah, that takes intentionality, that takes work. Because if you're bringing your ex spouse or your ex boyfriend into this new relationship and, and painting a new picture with the paint from that, you're giving that other person so much power. Like, why would you do that? And, and now you're going to criticize or, or make an excuse why you're paranoid or why you're this, like, you've got to work on yourself where you've reconstructed your own self confidence and your own. You trust your barometer. You have. I mean, you've grown in, in, in who you are, your own value so that you attract somebody that's at a higher caliber than whatever didn't work for you. So it takes work. But I 100 agree with you. That's a big one. [00:34:23] Speaker A: Yeah. And I just, I don't know. I think I'm a cool chick, but whatever. But of course we all have to have that. The coolest chick. But it's like, you know, I think, like, why am I not being asked out? I, like, don't understand. And I'm like, okay, what is going on? I don't know. You know, it's, it's, it's frustrating sometimes because I'm like sitting here and I'm kind of shy. I am like, I'm kind of shy. I don't know, but it's like, I'm just not that way. Like, I'm not gonna, I don't know, I'm just not that bold kind of woman. Even though once I'm in a relationship behind closed doors, it's like, okay, well, maybe, you know, they're. You're gonna see a different side, of course, but in a good way, you know, but it's not like, you know, I'm gonna be like, I'm shy at first. And I don't know if that's Something maybe I need to work on or maybe that's what I need to be because then the right man will come and like, you know, I almost think like, grab my hand and say, okay, we're going here. And I'll be like, okay, let's go. [00:35:23] Speaker B: We all want the guy to ride up on the white horse and just be like, I got you, I got. Those are the three favorite words. It's not love you, it's I've got. I got you. I would say it's both. I would say, Sarah, that, you know, I don't like making the first move either. But, but I, I typically do because I think a lot of men are very intimidated. Especially because look, when you're successful and you've up leveled yourself, you're carrying a new frequency than you used to. So your dating pool is smaller. This is where I am too because I've gone through the same thing where I'm like, like I didn't have a date for. I mean you could have dated a bunch of randoms. Let's, let's, let's be honest. Like you could date people that weren't at the caliber that you want, but you want a certain caliber. So I mean, I would go like a year. I mean it was just like, I just, I don't have the interest. But if there's someone that you're attracted to that you want to come talk to, you mean, you know, there is an energetic shift in your body where there's like an open, there's subtle things that you can do, you know, so it's practicing a little bit more like opening your, your, your stance a little bit towards them, doing a little, you know, energetic, like just like a little glance. You know, there are things like that where you're not shutting yourself down or if you're sitting in the room, you know, hunched over and all of those body language things are important. Men do need like, you know, I'll tell you, men are very, I think they're very intimidated. I do. And I think that, that you have a frequency about you. Like, I think too, I mean, to be a little woo. It's almost like when your frequency and your energy gets a lot higher, it's almost like you become invisible to men that don't. It's like that's what I was kind of shown because I was really upset about this about a year ago because I'm like, I used to have men all over me every, like what is happening? Of course, you know, I'm older, but I still Think I've got it going on. And what came to me when I was praying and through one of my spiritual teachers is because I said I literally feel invisible. And she said, when your. Your guides are saying that you actually do become invisible to people when your frequency is. Is that you've worked on it this hard, like, it's almost like they don't even see you because it's not even on their radar. It's like Abraham Hicks talks about it. Like, when you walk into a room and you have a frequency, it's like they're like, you know, 100 light bulbs representing each person. And your light bulb is lit at a certain level, and maybe there are two more that are lit by a certain level, but the ones that. And those are the ones that need to find each other. But the rest of them you're not gonna access because you're not at the same frequency of light. And so I'm always gonna drop some woo in here. So the good news is, yes, it's. Yes, be open with your body language and your energy, but also, yes, the right person for you that's gonna love that about you and be a match is gonna be attracted to that sweet, like. But it's also, like, demure. Like, you've got this, like, sweet energy about you that's like, it, It's. It's very innocent, you know, So I, I can see that in you being a little shy, but it's a very attractive energy to someone that's going to be your match. They're going to be the sweetest thing. [00:38:15] Speaker A: It is. You do get me excited. [00:38:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:38:18] Speaker A: And it's funny. [00:38:19] Speaker B: It only takes one person. Like, one person. It only takes one person, right? One little light bulb. [00:38:25] Speaker A: Yeah, it's just one. [00:38:25] Speaker B: Okay, go ahead. [00:38:28] Speaker A: No, yeah, like. And I'm kind of an adventurous person, too, but, like, I'm. I'm kind of big on the time thing, which can be hard because that's my love language time. And, like, doing, like, I'm like, oh, let's go do road trip. Get in the car and do road trip this weekend. Or let's go do this, you know, or. I don't know, but I'm kind of a time person, which can be hard for. [00:38:54] Speaker B: Well, you have a lot of freedom. Yeah, I mean, I know you work your butt off, but you have a lot of freedom not having kids. So have you run across that with. Do you. Have you dated guys with kids [00:39:06] Speaker A: at some points? [00:39:08] Speaker B: Is that ever an issue? Is that. That's for me, like, if If I date someone without kids or someone. [00:39:13] Speaker A: Yeah, it kind of was, I guess. Yeah. [00:39:17] Speaker B: Because you can pick up and go right where someone like me, like, it takes a lot of planning. And so you would need someone that has that same freedom. [00:39:25] Speaker A: Yeah. And that's why I tend to find that, like. Yeah, I. I kind of feel like it's. It's younger guys for me, which is kind of funny. Like. Yeah, we're talking like, 10 to 13, 14 years. [00:39:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:43] Speaker A: Like, the average. I don't think I want to go beyond 15. But, like, I talk to you and you're like, no, it's interesting because I have a. Yeah. Energy. [00:39:54] Speaker B: Go ahead. [00:39:55] Speaker A: No, I have a family member who. They have, like, the happiest marriage, and they have a pretty big age gap, and they're like, marriages off the charts. Wonderful. And I think it's. It's definitely over 10 years plus, so. And I was always like, oh, that's kind of weird. But I'm like, no, they're, like, totally in love. He's, like, crazy about her. She's crazy about him, you know, so it can work, you know, just like the opposite. Older men with younger woman. It's like, why not do the other way? You know? [00:40:22] Speaker B: Really? Why has that been so accepted? Like, nobody blinks if someone's 20 years younger. Like, nobody blinks. But if a woman. I know because I dated someone that was 20 years younger. And I mean, it was. It. It was a thing. But eventually it kind of blurred where it gets hard. And you and I have talked about this privately. Where it gets a little tricky is around just life, around life experience. Once you get past, like, 10, 15 years, you're literally raised in different generations, and you don't. There's a. Where I would get frustrated is just discussing, like, songs and, you know, movies that were out. And so there's a disconnect. But I believe in soul contracts. And very often what's happening is, you know, a lot of those guys are operating at a. Just. They're just coming in and operating at a really high frequency, and you take care of yourself. I think what. That. That's one of the things, too, is, like, I'll see a guy, and no offense to any of the men, but I'll see guys my age sometimes. And I'm like, you look like you're, like 15 or 20 years older than me. I don't. I don't. I can't, you know, but again, there are also a lot of guys that are dating girls in their 20s, and that's not my guy. But I. I don't like men. I don't know if a man has taken care of himself. I'm not against dating in my age, which is I'm, you know, I've passed 50, but typically I'm dating a minimum three, if not 10 years younger just because the attractions there, they don't realize that I'm older. And I'm not going to tell them until they driver's license. But you know, I like to activate myself at a much younger age. And it's not that I'm like. I'm saying you can't. Like, if I met someone that took really good care of himself and he was five years older, like, and the energy was there and he could be in his masculine. I mean, I'm like would be all for it, but I'm with you. Like, it's just. It's weird. It's like almost like men get. I've experienced a lot of guys. It's like they get set in their ways and it's like they haven't had growth and it's. That's just not everybody because I have met right now I'm date. There's like three guys. I kind of. And then literally this just happened in the past two weeks. Two weeks ago I would have told you I'm like dating nobody in the past two weeks. I've like gone on three dates. But. But I have to be excited around you and I have to know that you're doing something to like elevate your life and to change something. Like what. What has changed in you? Are you evolving? And I think that's the key. I think that's what you get by dating younger men, besides being active and also being fit and all that is that there, there's that evolution. Like, I just, I. I've got to have someone who's working on themselves and has. Has created change. Like growth. Spiritual growth, specifically for me. [00:42:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:42:51] Speaker B: So no, I always. I support that. The age gap relationship. I think it can be amazing. And like we mentioned Taylor love. He. He has a whole. Did you see his. He has a whole post on it where he actually makes the point that one of the reasons that makes them so great is that the love that's there. Like they don't give a crap what anyone else thinks because people. Everyone has something to say, no matter. Like we said in the beginning, who you are, what you're dating, how many times you've been divorced, if you're moving, whatever. But he said one of the great Things about age gap, when it works. And there's that synergy, is that it's based on not giving a flying F about what anybody thinks. And it's almost like that is a bond that the people share because they're like, screw the rules. Let's do this. I mean. Yeah. [00:43:30] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:43:31] Speaker B: I mean, I think Madonna's boyfriend is like, Cher. I think their boyfriend. I'm not kidding. They're like 40. [00:43:36] Speaker A: 40 years younger. Yeah. Yes. And. And, you know, I kind of have a thing. This might sound weird, but I'm just gonna say it. I just had a thought. It's kind of like how I approach my faith and, like, my relationship with Jesus. Like, some people are like, oh, you're a Christian. You can't go to yoga. And I'm like, no, I'm going to yoga. I don't care what you think. Like, I kind of think, like, I know that my relationship is solid and strong, so it doesn't matter. And I kind of think that's how you want to approach, like, the person you want in your life with. Like, I know how I feel about them. Nothing's gonna shatter that. And you can judge it all you want from the outside, but, like, we, as a core, know how we are, you know, and everything we do, judgments could fly in. But we're like, who cares what you think? Yeah. [00:44:20] Speaker B: I mean, everyone has something to say about whatever. And by the way, when people are judging, they're only projecting the way they feel about their own life. 100 people that are at peace with their life are not judgmental. But look, maybe the gap is. There's always going to be something. Maybe the gap is how many times someone's been married, how many kids someone has in the other one. Maybe it's religion. Maybe it's where you were raised. I mean, there's always going to be. You're not going to marry your twin. So if you're feeling love and safety and it works for you, I mean, it's. It's. It's a. You just want to be loved. I mean, I'm, like, all for it. And I think that it. I don't know. I think it's. It's. I don't think there are any rules. But you. Look, if you had asked me 20 years ago, I would probably said something totally different. Now that I've gone through, I've gone through, I. I don't pass judgment on whatever people want to do. I. I'm like, why do people. What. What is what. Why do we need to Judge, then we think that God, God does not. When we cross over, no one's standing there with some tally of how many times you were married or divorced or who you moved in with or how many sexual partners. It's not. You get a life review. You get to see how you impact other people and what you did in the world and, you know, you go into bliss and love. But all this judgment, that, and that's another podcast. But it, I, I would want people to, to give themselves more grace because you're. Again, I look at energetic fields. Like, we're taught to have all the shame and guilt in the church and that I could go on about that for 10 hours, but. Because I was raised that way. But at the end of the day, the God that I know now, like, really is all about love. And none of that stuff matters because it's all, by the way, all those constructs, marriage and divorce and all that, that's just, that's constructed by humans. That's, I mean, that's, the government's involved with all that. But, you know, you are here to love and be loved and to grow and, and to live in your purpose. Maybe your purpose is, I mean, it, it just looks different for everybody and, but if you can, when you do find, when you, when your match comes in and you find that person that is your match for you and your, that soul contract unites, like, I do think, then when it's the right person. Yes. You will both know it. You literally will say, there you are. Like, you feel like you already know them. Yeah. Because your soul already does when it's, when it's a true, like, soul contract. Soulmate. Yeah. [00:46:39] Speaker A: Yeah, it's, I'm really will about it. [00:46:44] Speaker B: In the meantime, have as much fun as you can, because then once you're done, you're like, that's it. [00:46:49] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah, we're playing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I, I have a, you know, it's just. I don't know. I, I, I'm kind of, you know, I'm, I literally am just like, okay, I'm like, let's make this happen. Let's go forward. Like, when is this happening for me? But anyways, that's another story. [00:47:13] Speaker B: But. Oh, for sure. I, I think it's hard not to know. It's hard not to know because, you know, there's safety and predictability and not knowing. I mean, I'm, I mean, you know, I'm with you. It's so, And I don't think, I don't, honestly, I don't who knows? But I don't feel like any of the guys I just met are, like my person. They're. But we're all here to teach each other something. But it's hard not to know because I think deep down there's a fear. I know for me, there's a fear of, am I going to be doing this alone for the rest of my life? Like, you know, all the factors, medical, financial, like. Like, you know, all those things that make me scared. But. But I feel like when you are wired to desire, relationship, which I would say 90 to 99% of people are, like that desire is there for a reason. But at the same time, I also remind myself that my person, like, this is it. He's got to be ready for me. Yeah. And so maybe his wife passed away a year ago. Maybe he's going through, who knows, diagnosis. Maybe his dad, I mean, is sick. I mean, you don't know. And so I think when you're really prayerful about it and you do rely on faith, it is. It's just constantly going back to the trust. And they talk about attachment to outcome. Like, you, you are responsible for the what and the why that you want something, and that's in your prayer. But God, the universe, whatever you lean on, is responsible for the when and the how. So it's like giving that back to God is what I'm constantly doing. It's like, okay, I know what. I'm really clear, but I've got to let go of the when and the how. I'll be active in the meantime, doing what I can to meet people and to be. Keep my field open, keep all the windows open. Like, you can come in. But we want that divine match to be ready and to be energetically and spiritually and emotionally and all the things and mentally at a place where they're ready to fulfill that. We don't want still wounded, still mad at their ex, and we want them healed. And if that means we wait another six months or a year or two years, I'm like, then it's worth it. Yeah. [00:49:12] Speaker A: Yeah, I. Feel like. And I just. I keep losing my train of thought. Sorry, I was thinking about the person [00:49:24] Speaker B: coming at the right time. Yeah. [00:49:27] Speaker A: Oh, I know. So I pray a lot. I always say a prayer like, please prepare me for them and prepare, you know, prepare me for them and prepare this person for me. It's kind of like, you know, I do that prayer a lot and I can for sure say. And I think I talked to this on the first podcast, like, I know when there were times I'm like, no, this is not the time for me to be in a relationship. And, like, I knew that, especially when I was working full time with my doctorate. [00:49:56] Speaker B: Yep. [00:49:56] Speaker A: But I really, like, seriously right now, I'm at a point where I'm like, okay. I'm like, I. I'm. I just feel like. I feel like it will happen soon. I think it will because. Because I just. There's no question about it. Like, there's nothing, like, stirring that I have to work on that would take attention away. It's like I still have everything lined up with me, but you know what I mean? [00:50:20] Speaker B: It's just. [00:50:21] Speaker A: It's just that it's just time for me. [00:50:23] Speaker B: I'll agree with you on that. [00:50:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:50:26] Speaker B: Agree with you. You know what? I do too, that you can do if you're. If you're woo. At all, you can go and talk to their higher self. Like, what I do is I'll pray and I'll just. I'll picture myself kind of going up, like, spiritually, and I'll picture whoever. This is my person, and I'll ask them to kind of just kind of meet me. Like, you can just picture it like, being in heaven, and I'll just be like, I want to talk to you, like, your higher self, because we all have, like, an astral body. And. And I'll envision myself, and I'll just go in and just let them know, like, I'm ready. And I'll just say the things that I want to say and go ahead and have, like, communication with them. And I know that sounds out there, but I have a lot of friends that do this, and it's almost like you already know them. And so that pathway. And the more that connection is already there. I'll be like, I can feel you. I know you're close. Like, I can feel you. And I know when I meet you, like, I'm gonna know. So anyway, I just wanted to drop that in there as an exercise if anybody wants to try it just in prayer and picture yourself kind of going up into heaven and. And just picture some version of them and just have a conversation, you know, energetically or spiritually. And. Yeah. Let them know that you're. [00:51:27] Speaker A: You're already. [00:51:28] Speaker B: You can already feel them. But I feel you. I. I feel like yours is right around the corner. We're getting into spring and summer, and, you know, all the little butterflies come out and all the little. Everyone comes out of hibernation. They say mating season, you know, I mean, yeah, yeah, [00:51:44] Speaker A: yeah. I almost picture too. You're gonna laugh this. I guess you could call this Woo. I never thought about it before. You could call it fake face. But I think of like this is gonna sound strange. Like people up in heaven. Like. No, no, no, that's not the one for her. No. Okay. Yeah, this one's okay. I don't know this picture. [00:52:00] Speaker B: Like what like ancestors? Like your grandma or your dad? Totally. Wouldn't you if you were on the other. On the other side. I mean, of course, but at the same time, look, we call people in. I'm very big on soul contracts again. And when we get in relationship, there is always a reason. And whether it's to heal something or to bring something forward that's unhealed or whether it's for forever. So you know, each relationship is here to be a mirror. But I agree. Yes. I love that. Oh, for sure. For sure. There is. There is preference and yeah, there's often that they see us repeating the same patterns. They. They will try to come in and give us guidance, like. Yeah. Send us certain symbols and signs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've had like a bird. Like there's. It happened to me several times when something I need to pay attention to. And some of it had to do with this one guy that was so not good for me. And this one bird, like it's only happened three times and it was in instance. And I know that like ancestors and God were involved. Birds are actually messengers. He literally just would come to my window right here and he would start pecking. Oh, wow. Yeah. Like it happened. I was trying to get back with this guy years ago, the one that I was referring to earlier. And I was considering getting back with him again. And I swear it was a brown thrasher. I live in Georgia, this brown thrasher. There's a big window in the back of my house. He came and I mean, I know it's my. I'm sure my grandmother was involved. You know, like he literally sat on the windowsill and just hammered at my window. And so. Yes and yes. Because we get to choose how long we stay in the quote unquote wrong or the pattern that isn't good for us. And you know your person's not going to come in if you're in a pattern that isn't serving you because you're agreeing to something that you know is not for your highest good. But what you just said, Sarah, is that you've cleared like you're ready and you've made it very clear to God in the universe that it's funny. [00:53:50] Speaker A: It's funny you talked about birds. Because I actually saw. In December, I saw a cardinal on a tree. I was just kind of laying. I had like. I normally. It's funny because I normally don't open the. The blinds. And this little red cardinal went and was just sitting in a tree and kind of hopping around, and it was really cute. And I told somebody, and they're like, you know what that means, right? And I was like, what? They're like cardinals, like, love. And I was like, oh, okay. And it's so funny because in my mom, this is just a sign. Everybody's like, whoa. She really. She brought. She got me cardinal pajamas for Christmas with cardinal socks. And everybody's like that, okay, she. [00:54:27] Speaker B: Did you know about the cardinal? Did you tell her about it? Or was it a coincidence? Oh, so she knew. [00:54:33] Speaker A: I love that it was just a coincidence. So, yeah. And they're like, oh, it comes. It has to come in threes. And I was like, I don't know if that's true, but. So this is kind of a funny story, but yeah. But, yeah, I think that there's a lot of information out there, too, right now to maybe. I'm really careful to listen to stuff that steers you away from love, too. I feel like there's stuff out there on social media, and you have to be careful who you listen to or who you go to for advice or what you're listening to, because I feel like, you know, you don't want to listen to the wrong information or get led by somebody who maybe has a negative look on love. And, you know, it. It can be precious. It. It's a gift, and it's like, it could be divine. And so I think we just have to be careful, too, with what we're listening to out there and be aware and kind of really think, like, when you're listening to something, like, you know, and I think that maybe somebody, maybe the same person could say something amazing you agree with, then you hear something else, and you're like, I don't really agree with that. You know, And I think that that's part of taking it upon ourselves, too, is just, you know, going through life and making those choices and decisions. [00:55:51] Speaker B: Well, and that's such a good point because I think it's. It's very underestimated, and people are very unaware of how much they give into scrolling through things that are negative because 1. Of course, we know that once you get on it, the algorithm picks up and you're going to get a lot more of it. And that is, that is exactly how your life is because you energetically, I mean, the Bible talks all about faith and it's all about what the beliefs that you're carrying around. And you're going to attract what you believe to be true. They say you will attract what you think deep down that you deserve if you're recreating patterns. But this is the first thing I always work on with clients when I hear them talk negatively, not only about themselves and then about the, especially if you're single, if you talk about dating in a really negative way. And you know, as women, we love to have the little, the little hen party where, you know, you get together and then everyone start talking about, oh, and whether you're married or not. And we expand how much, oh my God, men suck. And how about this? And next time you find yourself in a situation where every, all the women have gathered or whoever you're with and, and the negative narrative is being expanded, you, you're going to be shocked at how much you do that. Not no accusations, but when you realize that what's happening then is you are expanding that belief in your body and you are walking around with that magnetism. And so that belief system that faith is set is what is what your magnet is. And your heart has a magnetism that's 100 times more powerful than your brain. So when your heart feels a certain way, you're going to attract people that, that prove that right? The universe is, is aligned to prove you right. So watch what you're listening to and watch how you're talking about it. I, I, I will never say there are no good men. There are, you know, every, men suck. Look, maybe that guy sucked. But look, I learned the lesson. I don't want that I tell everybody, look, this is not a, a static like this isn't staying the same. The, the dating population changes literally every second. Like someone's spouse passes away, someone has a breakup, somebody moved into town, somebody's finally ready to date. Like it's a moving plasmic field of readiness. And just because one person is bad or the 20 women you just sat with at a table can talk about their worst dating stories. And now you walk out of there hating men really aware of that. And instead, so what, what I do is I will, when I was really actively looking, look at all the things and Abraham Hicks teaches this a lot is look at all the things that you've loved about all the guys that you've dated. What, what was the quality that you loved about that person, and then you expand that. And, you know, we all want to make our ideal guy by taking this part of him and this part of them. This part of them. But energetically, instead of speaking negatively about them, expand like, okay, they weren't for me. Maybe they lied in the end or whatever. But I really loved how much we would laugh, like, when we would do this. Or I actually really loved family. Or okay, really, whatever it is that you loved about him. And I would, like, even make a list about what you loved about each person. Because again, what's happening then is you're putting that value system in your field of energy, in your magnetic pole. And the more you're instead of looking at the negative, which is going to create the same thing in a negative polarity, if you're instead focusing on what you loved, you are literally going to draw that perfect guy for you that has those. Those characters, whatever, those. You know what I'm saying, those elements to their character. And. And it magnetizes that. So, yes, people don't realize how much they speak negatively and how much they agree to those conversations, especially women. Yeah. [00:59:23] Speaker A: Just listening to the point is remove yourself. Yes. [00:59:27] Speaker B: Or bring up something positive or. [00:59:28] Speaker A: Or walk away. And. Yeah, yeah. And I think that just. [00:59:38] Speaker B: And how much you're commenting like that, too, in the comments. I'm sorry, because I know what you say. Like, the other day I saw something and it was so negative, and I'm like. And then the comments blew up and I think it was around men, not leading, and everybody was bitching. It was. And I'm just. And I literally immediately, like, put it off my. My feed because I'm like, if the algorithm knows I am giving this energy, it's going to give me more. And I'm not gonna. I don't want to live there because then those. You're just gonna keep attracting that kind of person. Okay, sorry. I have a lot to say about [01:00:05] Speaker A: that, but no, yeah. And it's interesting because, you know, I talk a lot about, like, oh, I need the masculine man. I want him to lead. It's not like I, you know. But there's also something that I really appreciate, which is gentle masculinity. And I think that. I don't know, I think a lot about, like, Yoko Uno and John Lennon. I think that they had a very kind of a gentle relationship with love and like, a piece. And like, gentle masculinity of John Lennon probably in that relationship, you know. [01:00:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:00:35] Speaker A: And, you know, or like, a guy has to be nice to animals or love animals or I'm going to be like, there's something wrong with you. That was embedded me probably from my grandmother, but. Very true, Very true. Oh, and you know, especially with me having a tiny little dog, it's like, you know, you have to. She's so little. You have to kind of. You have to be a little respectful of her. Although it's funny. [01:00:59] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, she's a dating filter for you. I know I've got two dogs and I know I've got a few things. I'm like, if you like this and don't like that, like, it's. It's part of my. But you're right. Yeah. They've got it. They've got be nice to dogs. And you. And you can tell really, really quickly. And the dogs pick up on the energy. Y' all know this. Anyone that has animals, the dogs will tell you, like, how they react to this person, if they like them or not. [01:01:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:01:22] Speaker B: I mean, I've had it happen on both sides of that where my dog actually has gotten scared and like left the room versus, you know, you can immediately tell. [01:01:34] Speaker A: Yeah. And I. Yeah. And I just. I don't like men bashing like what we talked about. Do not like that at all. And you know, like I said, like, I. Men. I feel like one thing that I feel like is important is appreciating them and letting them know you appreciate them. But I think it's also just, just. I don't know, it's like the words I'm looking for to describe is. It's just when you get in your day to day with somebody. But I think it's also like, you know, when you're with somebody new too, you're. You're exploring with them, you're learning things new. There's gonna be new things you're gonna learn about each other that maybe you've never seen in somebody before. You know, don't think that's weird. I mean, it's just that person and I. Maybe weird is the wrong word or, you know, just different. But I think that overall with dating, I think the hardest part to me is probably the initial part. Getting over that fear, that hump. And I guess behind that, would you say is probably rejection. And it's like, who cares? Like, we live, you know, we might not have tomorrow. Like I always say, like, just, you know, you have to kind of take a chance [01:03:01] Speaker B: what's being vulnerable. And it's scary because the. The chance is that you're going to get hurt. And. Yeah, I mean, I've got. I have to have a deep guy that's going to be. I'm the same. Like, you want gentleness. I've got a trauma history. So, like, I get really triggered if it's, you know. Yes, everyone has their comfort zone with that. But, you know, I date much differently than I used to be. I'm much more intentional about it, and it's really about depth. Yes, I love a hot man. I love, for a man, take care of himself. I do have a type, but I've got to be able to have a really deep conversation. And one of the other things that I've just recently been like, I. I need a guy to ask me questions. Like, too many times I feel like I've been on dates and I'm like, I. We just. Because I'm, you know, probably like you. Like, I'm. I'm a trained counselor, and, you know, I. I talk for a living and I ask questions, and so I. That's what I do naturally. But, like, I had a date two weeks ago, and I got home and I was like, oh, my God. He did not ask me, like, one question about myself because I kept asking questions and. But I did have a guy give me feedback one time when I brought that up, and he said, karen, you know that you're so good at that that he said, men don't realize that they haven't asked you anything because they love talking about themselves and you're asking them questions. So maybe if you just lean back, which is feminine, and let them realize that they haven't asked you anything. Okay, well played. You're right. I'm pro. I have a role in that, too. But yeah. Yep. All the above. Dating, dating, dating. Yeah. [01:04:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:04:28] Speaker B: I want to be explored, but I do want to be explored. And that's the thing that. That's that piece with. The women want to be cherished and the men want to be needed. So we want to be explored. We want to be cherished. We want to feel like that you just think were amazing. Men, like you said, want to be seen. They want to. They want to be needed in a way that they're seen. And, you know, I think so many of us learned from our moms to nitpick and criticize. I know I used to be that way really badly. And I. Because I learned it from my mom. Like, that's just how my parents talked. And then it took me years to realize, like, I would hear myself on video, and I'm like, oh, my God, like, I didn't realize that. I'm like, that sounds. Oh, my God. I don't sound very easy to live with, really. Because that's my stuff. And instead, like you said, really balancing that with showing appreciation, even if it wasn't done 100. Right. Because men, that whole, like, gratitude is. Is so huge on letting them be seen and know that what they did was enough. It was a very, very long way. So women that are in relationships, y' all thank your man for something he did today. And. [01:05:30] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:05:31] Speaker B: See how things shift. Tell them that you really like the way he did it. And they say that men love to hear that you really. That you like the way they take care of you or that you like the things they did for you and. And that you recognize that, [01:05:44] Speaker A: love that. And how do you know? I feel like, too, in this day and age, people date for years, a long time before they move into that thinking of marriage or something. And, you know, you think back with our grandparents, it's like they knew each other, like, six weeks and got gay married within, like, two or three months. And it's like, you know, and it's interesting because, like, how you mentioned Taylor love. He said that guys know right when they meet a woman if she's in that or not. So I. I feel like, why not move quicker? Maybe that's just my situation right now. But I'm like, you know, I'm just wondering if that would save, you know, and being equally yoked is. I know that. So. But I believe in that, too. Yeah, but it would. I feel like it would create a sense of, like, a deeper appearance, appreciation for each other, and, like, more of a sense of security and safety within the relationship when you do commit quicker or, like, I know I want to be with you. I don't want to see you with anybody else. Like, you know, and that's part of it. It doesn't have to be like a crazy jealousy thing, but it's like, I know that I like you, and I don't want to even have the thought of thinking of you, like, talking to somebody else. Like, I want you to myself. I want you to me, you know, and so you think about that context of stuff. And I don't know, do you think people dating multiple people right now? And I know a lot of people do it. We all do it. Like, you know, I'm not. Which I know I'm kind of weird because I'm just not doing anything right now, but do you think that's. I don't know. I feel guilty when I, like, I just can't do that. [01:07:44] Speaker B: I can only do it for a little bit of time now. Now, obviously, I'm not talking about being sexual with more than one person. But you, like, whatever people want to do is up to them. I think that. I don't think there's any rule book on it. I think that, you know, they say men want freedom and women want commitment. I think as long as the men feel like they still have their freedom, you know, and the women, you know, that's part of the wanting to be cherished. I also think that when it's your person, like your divine, the person that you're supposed to be in divine union with, that your soul will recognize that that will be a very natural thing that nobody is going to have to convince anybody to unite. It will just feel like, of course we're not seeing other people. Right? So, you know. Yeah, I, I know because I'm out there too. Like the guy. It's, it's. It's a little bit of a. An epidemic of dating around. But at the same time, I'm like, well, then you're just not going to be my person. And, you know, I'll. I'll do it until it makes me feel bad. Like, if. I know, like, you know, right now there's a guy and I like, I know he's probably seeing other people and it's fine. Like, I see him like, every few months, but it's like, okay, like, I know what I'm getting into. Like, we just go to dinner and it's. I enjoy his company and I'm learning a lot from him and I enjoy. So it's like, until that makes me feel bad. Like, Like I. In my head, I thought, what if I ever seen that on a date? Like, that's going to be weird. Like, when that kind of thing happens and I'm probably going to retract and be like, okay, like, I can't. This is too weird. I think the answer is you trust your intuition. And I really think that it's going to feel like the next natural move when it is your divine. Not 100 of the time, but I would say 95. It's going to feel natural that you're committing because they're going to be at a place where they're done looking for the new shiny object. See, I think that's part of kind of this thing that happened is the new shiny object. And men can date younger and hotter. And I mean, it's just. And especially if you're on dating apps. You know, I think there's a. It's become very, very easy because access is very different than it was when our grandparents were young where they only had people in their community. You know, you had like 20 people to choose from and everyone married when they were 17, 18, 19 years old, and everyone just stayed. Right. Like there's. That's. Yeah. Now you have access to the international you. To anybody. You can plug a dating app into every city. But again, even though I think a lot of people get drawn a lot of men. I know because I'm. I meet them all the time. I keep telling myself, instead of getting frustrated, just know that this means that they're not my person. Like, if you're doing that. And that sucks because I think we could do something, but if that's what you're into, then thank you for showing me. And then you're not my person. Yeah. So. And if people want to date multiple people and it works like whatever is making you happy and you feel alignment. But if. If it's causing fights and making you feel bad, then that's not for you. Yeah. [01:10:35] Speaker A: Like, you know, just recently and been like almost. I don't know, it was like over two years since I dated or been anybody. And then I saw somebody kind of a little bit between Christmas and New Year's this last year. But I definitely knew right away this is not a person for me. And I ended it pretty abruptly. But that's okay. But, you know, it was like, wow. And then I thought, I don't know, I. I guess I have this thing where it's like, I feel like. And maybe this is wrong, but I like to feel like I'm adored. Like, I feel like the one. I want the guy to kind of like adore me in a way. [01:11:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:11:18] Speaker A: And you know, so hopefully that's the thing I like. Yeah. I think we all want that. [01:11:25] Speaker B: Yeah. And the guy that's for you is gonna have that value too. He's gonna love that part. Versus what? Versus what? What's the opposite of that? Like, not being seen, not being cherished. [01:11:37] Speaker A: Critical all the time. Maybe just like put downs or critical. [01:11:42] Speaker B: No. Yeah, there's. That's an unhealed person and. Yeah. Not for you. And I'm with you on that. And I've been equally as frustrated. I've dated the guy that went into his. His feminine. What I realized was happening was I was adoring him and I wasn't being adored. I literally was like, oh my God. Like, he Always wanted. I don't know. I don't know. The jury's out on some things with this guy. But I was like, why? Like, when I walk in a room, like, my person's gonna be like, they. You look hot. Like, like that's just going to be natural for them. It's not going to be, let me look at your outfit. Or it was. Anyway, that. That was a weird situation, but. But I'm with you on that. And so. So the good thing is dating that guy. When I realized that's what was happening, I was like, I gotta refine what I wanted. So I'm like, this, this is not gonna work for me. And I know now my. I'm very intentional about, about settling down with a guy that has that characteristic because it. I'm with you. Like, I want to be like, oh, my God. I want you to think that I'm like, the best thing in all areas and that you're just like, oh, my God, this is amazing. And it's not all about you equally yoked, but it's important. And you can tell pretty quickly. [01:12:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:12:51] Speaker B: If somebody, if they compliment you and if they just, just want to be seen. [01:12:56] Speaker A: Yeah. I would say, like, intention adoration, you know. You know, maybe what I find important too is like, taking care of yourselves, like, your body, mind. I think when you have both a good, healthy mindset with body, mind and spirit and all that, you have similarities in that. I think that's really awesome and strong. And, you know, it's like, I think, like, oh, like, you know, I'm okay with cooking for a guy. Like, I'll cook, you know, do the cooking. You know, I don't mind cleaning, doing certain, like, what you would call, you know. Domestic. Yeah, domestic. [01:13:32] Speaker B: Yes. [01:13:33] Speaker A: Because I think men like to feel taken care of too. You know, in a way, they want to feel taken care of, but at the same time, we need them to also take care of us and make us feel safe. And so I think that, you know, and I think there's a safety net too, with a guy where he feels like, you know, he can come home at night and relax and, like, you're gonna cook a meal or hand him a beer, have a glass of wine and not lay on him when he comes home. You know, I. I'm learning that, you know, one of the biggest things is like, a space thing with guys. I think, like, for instance, my mom always said that, like, men sometimes just have to go in their man cave. My mom would say this, and it's like my dad would take off hunting for three days, you know, or fishing. And like, you know, or men literally have their man caves, you know, where they go down and watch sports or something. But, like, you know, as women, sometimes I think it's like, don't take that personal, because if you let them do that, then they're gonna come back all the better. And so I think that we don't want to masculine by, like, not letting them go, you know, take care of that, I guess you could say. Yeah. I don't know. So there's so many different aspects to relationships and dating, and I know we could just go on and on, on [01:14:54] Speaker B: and on and on. Yeah. [01:14:56] Speaker A: But I think it's exciting to talk about. It's fun. And I. I think that the beginning stages of love and the butterflies is. It's fun, it's exciting. And when you have an opportunity for that, because sometimes you can go a long time and not. Not feel it, and you're like, is this even totally. You know, or you get to a point where you're like, this is very personal, where it's like, can I. Do I still know how to. Yeah, yeah. [01:15:18] Speaker B: Right. [01:15:18] Speaker A: But it's like, okay, well, you know, you do. You're gonna be fine, you know, And. Yeah. So, like. [01:15:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:15:28] Speaker A: And I've been there. [01:15:30] Speaker B: Yes. I know exactly what you mean. And it's true. But it is like riding a bike. You. You remember that. You're like, God, am I even. How does that even work? What are people doing now? Are people shaving or not shaving? Like, what's happening? What are we doing? Yeah, all the things, you know. Yeah, every. Yep. [01:15:44] Speaker A: It's. [01:15:44] Speaker B: Huh. Yeah. [01:15:46] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:15:47] Speaker B: I know you're not alone if you're out there and, you know, hopefully everyone's gotten something from all the things that we share today. We. We're pretty comprehensive. [01:15:56] Speaker A: Hopefully we. [01:15:57] Speaker B: We enlighten some people and as we unpacked a bunch of stuff. Yeah. [01:16:01] Speaker A: And I just. Yeah, I think it's great. And I think I want somebody to. We don't have to go to church every Sunday, but I want somebody to go to church with me. Want somebody to sit down, read the Bible together or do Bible study. I know that might sound. That's important. This thing's a primary value. [01:16:19] Speaker B: That it is important. [01:16:21] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:16:21] Speaker B: Something that you want. Yes. [01:16:23] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:16:23] Speaker B: 100. [01:16:25] Speaker A: Yeah. Is there anything else you think we should talk about or share? [01:16:32] Speaker B: Well, no, I think I. Well, I. We've talked about values, and I think that it's. That to me, I've always Go back to that. It's like, well, their value. Do they value the time? Do they value, you know, religion, spirituality, whatever it is. And it's, you know, everyone's going to be different, but the value system is, is really the basis of what's going to make you compatible or not. Do you value having kids? Do you value spending time with family? Like all those core values, finances and all that. And that's why communication is, is obviously so important because if you get into, I mean, I counsel people for a living and, and coach a lot of relationships when they're in their strife periods. And it's, communication is, is so important because people will tend to retreat or be anxious or, or, or, or pull away. But I think the biggest takeaway is to have those conversations about values and, and to just unpack. Not. And the important thing to remember is that that's not when conflict is happening. Like to. I'm always with clients. I'm like, have you all talked, have you talked about this? No, but we thought about it last night. I'm like, okay, bring this up at a time when you're both, like when you're sitting there with your glass of wine or when you're in bed cuddling, you know, when it's, when it's a safe space and bring it up in a really soft, graceful manner. Talk about that value system instead of it only coming up when you all get in the fight. And then it's, you're not doing it, you're not doing this, you're not doing, you know, do it when it, when you're in a safe space. And it's. For a lot of people, having a counselor just, it's just having a negotiator between you is a very great investment in having someone to help you have a safe conversation. It's just like having a me. It's just a mediator so that you both get heard. Because people often just don't feel like they're being heard. And so yeah, yeah, if you need support, get it. But, but look, that early stage of limerence, like for all of us that are still single, I'm like, I still get to have that. Like, I can't wait. And when it happens, like, yes, we'll remember. I kind of forgot what it feels like, but I'm looking forward to butterflies again. I'm looking forward to not being able to eat and then all of a sudden wanting to get in, like, really good shave. And then you, like, all of a sudden the best size of you come forward. I Start playing piano again. You know, you start, like, you just, like, you get all this energy. You know, they say what's happening is actually you're remembering your own self. Love. That. That's actually what love is. When you think fall in love, the other person is actually opening a window to your own soul and reflecting back to you, your own beauty. So you're actually also embedded in your own love for yourself. And so in the meantime, we can awaken that on our own while we're waiting as well. [01:19:01] Speaker A: I love that. And like, my uncle from Maui reminded me, he's like, remember, you're the prize just as much as they are. You are the prize, and remember that. [01:19:12] Speaker B: And we, as women, we tend to think we often will chase. And yes, my friends and I say that to each other all the time. When we forget and we start chasing and then it's like you can. You can make a move, but you got to lean back because what happens in it, that flips the dynamic to where they're the prize. You gotta lean back and let that energetic flow come towards you. I agree. Until your uncle is a wise man, because you are. [01:19:38] Speaker A: And you know, and I know we're kind of close, but I. Something I was just gonna say that I can get kind of emotional about. I'm not really feeling emotional about right now, but I've gotten emotional. Talking about it is like, what if, like, I fall in love with this guy and he really wants to be with me and he wants to really have children, and I kind of get scared because, you know, I'm in. I'm now in my 40s, and I'm like, you know, like I said before, I can still technically have a baby, I guess, according to my doctors. But, you know, you never know until you're in it. But it's just like, I hate that pressure on myself that it's like, if I get with a guy, I have to say, well, if you want to have a baby, we better do it now. But that's just the honest truth with me. Like, if you want it to have my DNA. And we're not going to go down a route of like. Like adoption or, you know, you do the whole surrogate, my egg, your sperm thing, and you want me to carry the child. Or you think, like, it's like, we better do that, like, now, like. And that's the problem with me that I ride with a lot because it's like, I look at how time just kind of like, flew by from 2019, and I'm like, whoa, I'm like, oh, my gosh. You know, it kind of upsets me sometimes because I think, like, oh, I want a little me running around, you know, or, you know, things like that. And it. And it is kind of a. It's just something that I'm kind of dealing with. And it's. It's, you know, and my. And it's funny because what weighs on me most is disappointing a person who falls in love with me. And I don't want to do that. And I know that might sound weird, but that's what I feel, you know? [01:21:22] Speaker B: No, I think it's. You're. You're hard on yourself. I wish you'd be gentler on yourself. I. I don't think it's weird. I think it's very normal. And I. That is how I felt. And that's when I got married the second time because I. The clock was ticking. I understand that, and it is a very real concern. I'm just going to validate it for you, of course. So the person that's right for you, that conversation will come up. And I know you're feeling a sense of. It's like a sense of urgency is what it is. And I hear you. I hear you loud and clear. When it's the right person, that conversation is going to happen naturally. And the person you're meant to be with. There is a. What's supposed to happen is going to happen, however that looks. [01:22:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:22:01] Speaker B: The person that you're meant to be with is not going to be disappointed. [01:22:05] Speaker A: Yeah. And. Yeah. And I thought. Yeah, and I thought, too, at some point, it's like, oh, I could just do the whole thing where I do it on my own, you know, type thing. But then I thought, you know, I don't think that would fulfill me. I don't think I can. And I commend people who've done that, you know, they decide to, you know, and I think that's beautiful and amazing, but just knowing me, I. I want that man in my life. I want that presence. I want that partner, I want that husband to be with me and come home to my. You know, so. And do life with. And just adventures with and be like best friends and lovers and just have fun, you know, let's go enjoy life. I don't know. It's kind of how I look at it, but, yeah, I love it. [01:22:53] Speaker B: Well, he's out there. He's out there. And you never. You never know. I. That's the thing about that, that the how and the when. Like, yeah, you May find someone that has kids and you, there's like a soul knowing there because, like, you just already kind of had a soul connection with them. You didn't know they were coming into your life, but it was part of your path. And you may feel like they're your own kids, like, really quickly. And that may be, I mean, you never know what. Or you may decide. I mean, you, you just do not know what this is going to look like. So I would remind you and anyone else that's struggling with something like that, keep trusting. As long as you are returning to your faith and you are connecting and being intentional about connecting to something higher. [01:23:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:23:35] Speaker B: It is not going to go wrong for you. Like, you will find the person you're meant to be with, and it is going to work out the way that it is meant to. You're not going to be punished. Nobody's withholding anything from you. That situation is getting prepared for you. And what you're going to call in and what's going to show up for you is going to be. Exactly. [01:23:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:23:52] Speaker B: What was meant to. [01:23:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:23:54] Speaker B: So it's returning to trust. Returning, coming. Because nothing great was created if fear. So I would encourage you when that fear comes up, because, look, everybody has something. Like, I have three kids. So you could say it's like, it doesn't matter what you have. It's like, I've gotten over it. But for a long time, I carried. Because I had many people tell me, oh, no one, you know, you're pretty and all, but nobody's gonna date you because you have three kids. Nobody wants three kids. Like, and so I would carry this, and then I would meet guys that'd be like, oh, God, like, that's a lot. Now I'm so, like, I'm like, I lead with it. I'm like, if you're not into that, then you were obviously not a match. My kids don't need another dad, and they're an extension of me. So look, no kids, no dogs. 12 dogs, 12 kids. I mean, like, yeah, everyone's going to have their constellation, and the person that is meant for you will not be perfect, but you will perfectly figure out because your soul will call them in. And it is already done. On a soul level. Yeah, it's already done. [01:24:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:24:50] Speaker B: I promise you. [01:24:51] Speaker A: And, and you're amazing. Just so you know. You're a rock star. And I, I, I just know you embody in an amazing abundance of life. I can just sense that from you. [01:25:04] Speaker B: Thank you. [01:25:05] Speaker A: And you bring, I feel like you bring Abundance to people, too, with your presence. [01:25:09] Speaker B: So thank you very much. This conversation in your new podcast. I'm just. I'm so proud of you. And I love that this is so great. At home with your dog. I love that my dog, she'll creep up, but you can't see her. She comes on camera. She comes and sticks her nose on my lap. But I love that you can see him. So him or him or her. [01:25:29] Speaker A: Yeah, she's a little grumpy right now. I would pick her up, but when she Snap time, I just leave her alone. [01:25:36] Speaker B: Well, so much is coming. And one time we're gonna tape and we're gonna. You're gonna be like, oh, my God, I met the guy. You know, so you never know. And it can happen at any moment at any time. And so I just. I remind you, be open to possibilities. [01:25:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:25:51] Speaker B: Let go. Let go of the how and the when and just focus on the what and the why. And I promise you that faith, it is going to happen. Yep. To everybody. You're gonna. You're. You're. What's meant for you is gonna find you. [01:26:03] Speaker A: Yeah. And to everybody else out there listening, too. [01:26:07] Speaker B: That's what I meant. [01:26:08] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:26:10] Speaker B: We're sprinkling fairy dust on everybody. [01:26:12] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:26:13] Speaker B: Okay. [01:26:14] Speaker A: All right, well, thank you so much, Dr. Karin, for this conversation today, which was amazing. And, yeah, thanks for listening to the Dr. Random podcast. And I'm sure. I'm sure we'll do another one at some point down the road. I know we will. Yeah. [01:26:31] Speaker B: Feel some more tea. I hope everybody got something out of it. And thank you so much for having me. I've really enjoyed the time. [01:26:37] Speaker A: Yes. Thank you so much. All right. And I'll tell everybody. Ciao.